Norland Cycles Project - Development and Manufacture

by Maximilian-Peter Von Speyer
Feb 23, 2011 at 21:02

A year ago, Pinkbike gave me the opportunity to show everyone the challenge that I took on to develop, design, and produce an innovative Downhill frame. This is the story.



Today, I'm proud to show everyone what I was able to accomplish in that time, with the help of amazing people who I'll be always thankful for.


Maximilian poses with his finished bike. It took a lot of hard work to get to this point.
Maximilian poses with his finished bike. It took a lot of hard work to get to this point.

As I said last year, I wanted to develop a new downhill bike from the Latin American region. My goals were to make a double chain system to eliminate suspension interference when pedaling, a design that was lighter than the heavy existing ones, and to develop a newer material. Meanwhile, I was developing the shape that the frame would use. In the last article on Pinkbike you saw some of the research and how the possible frame configuration could be done by 3D drawing, but more work was needed. Help came first from Yann Watkins, an industrial designer with a lot of experience in bike design, who taught me how leverage ratios work and the operation of rear suspension on a downhill bike. He corrected many of my first designs. The next piece of the puzzle came from a Hungarian company called Racooz Software who produced the widely known Linkage Software program. This let me test all of my sketches and designs, allowing me to get a better idea of how things would perform.

I had many designs, but none had me convinced 100% that they were
I had many designs, but none had me convinced 100% that they were "the one"

My head was filled with loads of ideas at same time, but I couldn't figure out what to do until I started to give them some order. I realized first that the rear shock sat too high in the frame, raising the center of gravity higher than I wanted. Placing it vertical without changing the distance between the bottom bracket and the swingarm pivot would not be possible, unless I used a "Motolink" type linkage that is widely used on some of the best DH frames in the history. Then came the first design featuring a single pivot motolink based suspension system.

The first idea was interesting, but not as good looking as I had expected - the swingarm was ugly and reminded me another frame. It's lines didn't match the front end, but the front triangle had something that made my head to spin around. This brought about more ideas and finally gave the final shape to my design
The first idea was interesting, but not as good looking as I had expected - the swingarm was ugly and reminded me another frame. It's lines didn't match the front end, but the front triangle had something that made my head to spin around. This brought about more ideas and finally gave the final shape to my design
The frame gets closer to its final design
The frame gets closer to its final design


At the same time that I was designing and planning the frame, I was knocking on doors looking for sponsors for my project. In Chile, nobody in the mountain bike world wanted to support what I was doing, except Motorex Oil, who helped me with lubricants and oil for the suspension, and Pernos Soto, one small, but really good bolt, screw, and bearing supplier. More help came from a small web based bike shop named Kaoz Bikes, who provided me with some small parts for the prototype - even the smallest help was greatly appreciated. Help with the bigger components came from outside Chile. From Canada, Elka suspension and Race Face, who provided the best rear shock on the market and some of the components that a world champion would wish for on his bike. From the United states came the Diverse Suspension Products' titanium spring, and from Japan came the best suspension fork that I ever tried, the Kowa 200 GF. Formula Brakes from Italy provided me with some of their awesome stoppers, and from Continental (Germany), they were nice enough to provide me with some some Kaisers and Rubber Queen tires. My personal friend, Michael Lieschke, gifted me a pair of old school Mavic Deemax wheels for the prototype.

Spank Industries stepped up to the plate with rims and a single speed chain for the double chain system, as well as another remarkable component that will get a lot to talk this season. From Poland, Dartmoor components provided hubs, spokes, and other nice parts, while Mozartt Components is custom designing and producing a 150 x 12 mm rear axle and a chain routing/guide system for the frame. Some of the biggest support came from TNT-LIT cargo, who helped with most of shipping and handling costs of products sent by foreign sponsors and also to import the materials that were not available here in Chile.
Spank Industries stepped up to the plate with rims and a single speed chain for the double chain system, as well as another remarkable component that will get a lot to talk this season. From Poland, Dartmoor components provided hubs, spokes, and other nice parts, while Mozartt Components is custom designing and producing a 150 x 12 mm rear axle and a chain routing/guide system for the frame. Some of the biggest support came from TNT-LIT cargo, who helped with most of shipping and handling costs of products sent by foreign sponsors and also to import the materials that were not available here in Chile.


With the design decided on, it came time to start production. I found some of the most important sponsors in Chile to help with the manufacturing process. Jetstream Chile, used their water jet cutting technology, controlled by computer to cut almost any material, to build many of the frame's parts. Three very important companies helped produce the different machined parts at their factories: Tormex, who made the Eccentric BB, frame dropouts and main pivot; Bettoli S.A., who made one pivot and part of the Motolink system; and Bacigalupo S.A., who made important parts on the double chain system. My personal friend, Gustavo Contereras, alias "Majin", creator and head man behind Majin Cycles, the only Chilean handcrafted bike frames, offered me his help to weld the frame.


Water jet cutting on video:

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CNC machining of frame components:

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Gustavo welding the Norland:

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I started meeting with Gustavo at his workshop in MaipĂș, Santiago, to work on the chromoly skeleton every Friday. The idea was to have the frame ready for January and to finish the prototype before Feb 20th. I picked that date to show the bike to the world because it was the same time that the craziest urban DH race in the world, Valparaiso Cerro Abajo, took place. Many riders made the trip to Chile, including Filip Polc, Cedric Gracia, Markolf Berchtold, Chris Van Dine, and others from all around South America and Chile.

I learned a lot about frame production from watching Gustavo
I learned a lot about frame production from watching Gustavo
After we finished the chromoly skeleton I installed the Motolink parts and Elka Stage 5 shock
After we finished the chromoly skeleton I installed the Motolink parts and Elka Stage 5 shock
I later added all of the components except the double chain and gearing system
I later added all of the components except the double chain and gearing system
To provide the fiberglass skin and paint to transform the frame's appearance I went to my friend Victor Cisternas, alias
To provide the fiberglass skin and paint to transform the frame's appearance I went to my friend Victor Cisternas, alias "El Ruta", a man with a lot of experience custom painting and tuning cars. He did a great job and the results were amazing.


Painting the Norland:

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Due to a mistake by my chromoly supplier in the U.S., who sent tubes twice thick (and twice heavy) than needed, I decided to only do the fiberglass the front triangle.
Due to a mistake by my chromoly supplier in the U.S., who sent tubes twice thick (and twice heavy) than needed, I decided to only do the fiberglass the front triangle.


After the painting process with my friends "El Ruta" and Louis "Peluche" abd-el-kader (Not al-Kaeda) we started to build the prototype. By this time it was Saturday, all of the shops were closed, and we noticed that the frame was missing a very important bolt to fit the Motolink to the swingarm! I was about to collapse! The bike was nearly ready, but due to a single small bolt I was about to lose all hope. After looking around I was able to find a bolt that would fit in a deck mock-up at a local Home Depot. I went inside to ask if they had anything similar that they could sell me, but the answer was no... So I took a less orthodox approach and took the bolt out from the display - nobody will miss it! I finished building the prototype at 3am and then managed to get a few hours sleep before the start of the event early the next morning.

Then began one of the greatest days that I've ever had. When I arrived at the race many people were asking questions and taking photographs of the bike, some even posing with it! Friends of mine helped by handing out cards to everyone that had information about the bike and project on them.


The big day!
The big day!
Most everyone liked it! Even Cedric Gracia said
Most everyone liked it! Even Cedric Gracia said "Cool" when I showed him the prototype. Many riders were really surprised to learn that it was designed and produced here in Chile. That pro riders liked it was great motivation to continue designing bikes. I even got access to the VIP area and was treated like a rock star, with many international MTB stars posing with my creation!
Giving interviews for a Chilean TV Program
Giving interviews for a Chilean TV Program



How did I do it? My advice for anybody reading this is to never give up on your dreams, work hard, and be stubborn!
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130 Comments

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flag Guanapes (Feb 26, 2011 at 1:07)
 Very interesting story.
I hope more people would have this capability you do! Hope to see the production of the bikes starting already Wink!
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 26, 2011 at 7:19)
 Thanks for your comment! How great that U liked it!
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flag DEgenerationX (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:42)
 i like it (: looks cool and its nice and low and i like bikes low so you got my support keep it up man !
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flag jumphilo (Feb 28, 2011 at 6:06)
 Bike looks amazing... when is the test day ?
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flag stellaride (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:23)
 This bike looks bottomless! Keep it going guys!
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flag lewismc (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:42)
 pretty cool but the bike looked very small.
what travel do those forks have?
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:54)
 200 mm, but travel is fully stepless tuneable with an adjuster knob in the top of the left side, from 200 to 30 mm.
Perfect for shuttling and store the bike
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flag konakid1993 (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:42)
 What forks? They look huge!
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flag JamisJammer95 (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:59)
 that bike looks sweet!
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flag Antron (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:32)
 The fork is made by Kowa, says so right on the side.
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flag Henrik88 (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:46)
 Front KOWA
Rear ELKA
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flag tom-cuthbert (Feb 28, 2011 at 17:38)
 Re-born Avanti D8 by the looks of it.
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flag avery25 (Mar 1, 2011 at 15:40)
 Super awesome project dude! Good luck with your future endeavours!
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flag seraph (Feb 28, 2011 at 2:02)
 Holy neckbeard.
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flag elzorroinphilly (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:13)
 little bit creepy
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:55)
 Looks like but actually is the head of another guy behind.
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flag dom69foco (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:06)
 made me think che guevara!
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:10)
 Please, call me Bear-Man, santa, or grizzly for the beard.
But never call me Che Guevara! That Bastard killed friends of my family in Bolivia, I really hate him
And all the red crap that spoiled Poland, Hungary Czech and east Europe between 60's to 90's
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flag elzorroinphilly (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:17)
 grizzly it is. congratulations on all of your hard work paying off, max, the bike looks impressive
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flag dom69foco (Mar 1, 2011 at 12:59)
 ohhh i don't want to get in a che guevara debate! fantastic looking bike grizzly!
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flag bhigmasta (Feb 28, 2011 at 6:16)
 Hell Yeaaah!!!
Grande MAX. Congratulations Man.
In Valpara'so Cerro Abajo the bike shines.
La cleta quedo espectacular y funciona de las mil maravillas Wink
See you later man
Arriba Chile
Bye
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flag jmbrit (Feb 28, 2011 at 3:30)
 Amazing story and absolutely mint lookin bike!!

personally i would be a little worried about the seat post/tube area after a large smash/seat bump/whatever, that does seem quite an extreme angle.
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flag beckhead (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:25)
 what is spank's 'other remarkable component that will get a lot of talk this season'???
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flag shishka (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:16)
 Wow another complete knock off of the BMW linkbike (http://www.brooklynmachineworks.com/index2.html) . I can tell you first hand that this design will rule any mountain. Not the lightest race design out there but for the weekend warrior/huckster it will last many years of abuse. I really like those Kowa forks, does kowa make rear suspension for dh bikes yet? Either way the Elka rear is great and Kowa front should do the job. The only part that looks flimsy is the links on this frame. BMW links are a piece of cnc artwork if you ever get a chance to see them up close. These links for the Norland look like they from Lowes. lololl i guess you get what you pay for. Trust me your going to need some sort of chain guide device on that top pulley. Also where's the floating brake? You going to be jacking all over with this setup.
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:38)
 Thanks for the constructive critics mate.
The links were made by waterjet cutting.
Unfortunatelly the aluminium we have here in chile is the worst of the worst (kind of recycled like OSB lumber boards)
Strategiclly I decided to use the aluminium links as thick as possible with the less removing of material to keep some strenght. But that will change soon, when Mateusz, from Mozartt components, a friend and sponsor, will send me some good quality 7075 aluminium piece to work in a newer motolink.
Floating brake also considered for future, but checking times when Peaty ran over an Orange 223, without foater brake makes me not to loose my head for that component.
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flag shishka (Feb 28, 2011 at 15:47)
 Ya that floater could be done alot lighter than the one BMW uses. I was thinking of making one out of alum radious rods and al rod ends myself. Pretty cheap and adds alot of power under extreme breaking forces. If your blasting race courses like Peaty then you don't really need it, so maybe put it as an option. That moto link should turn out sweet with the 7075. Let me know if you can't get it I'll hook you up with someone here. Def a crutial piece to the frame.
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flag mikelevy Mod Plus (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:08)
 Wow, what a story! Designing and building a frame from scratch is so far beyond most riders, myself included, that I would never think to start such a project. Thankfully there are riders like Max who think otherwise! Its great to see a new/different/tweaked design come from such a small operation (being Max and his friends). I'd love to have a go on her.
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flag lister11 (Feb 28, 2011 at 4:19)
 I like this - good commitment!
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flag david-hill (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:42)
 sick work man! absolutely spot on! great commitment and work for something you wanted to do Smile don't listen to any hate man, it's your design and your work! be proud Smile
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flag JokerMachine (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:31)
 Looks great, man. Hope it rides even better.

Big props to you and anyone else that designs and builds their own bike. It's truly "yours", something you can never get with a mass-produced product.
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flag mountguitars (Feb 28, 2011 at 19:18)
 the part i liked the most is when bike manufacturers from all over the world started to supply the parts needed. that was very touching. comes to show that most people in the mountain bike industry is really into biking (not always business) and its ready to pay it forward when they can afford it. props to norland's sponsors.
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:13)
 very similar to my darkcycles scarab but think u missed the point of twin chains- you can make your chainring a 22tooth then gear it up at the twin chain sprocket like a brooklyn does. You could run a single chain like mine or a canfield jedi without ecentric bb and still get no chaingrowth or infulence...bit of work for the next one i think..
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flag dom69foco (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:09)
 i think his design seems to work well! i'd say though that the bash guard and chain ring on the crank could be smaller, and the cog it goes too correspondingly smaller. this is coming from a guy who just broke my chainring bolts last time i bottomed out!

fanstastic looking bike by the way! i would be proud and a half if i made that
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flag valioto (Feb 28, 2011 at 16:43)
 About the fork, this is the first time I hear of cowa.. which year is it? are they still manifactured? I ride shiver dc and same as you I think it is better then fox 40 and especially boxxers. it's just the weight which brings it down
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 26, 2011 at 6:58)
 Next part of the story comming up soon:
-Thesis Project presentation.
-Search for sponsors to make the prototype tour arround Europe
-And research for a production in short series.
Cheers!
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flag stompeinator (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:29)
 Bike looks great man. One question though, the rear end looks like it could be a little flexy; any issues with that, or is it stiffer than it looks?
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flag crazy-canuck (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:48)
 It's steel, it's gonna be pretty stiff. I'm on a fully chromoly DH bike and it has one of the stiffest and snappiest rear triangles I have ever ridden. Give it a very lively ride characteristic.
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:07)
 So true!
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flag stompeinator (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:38)
 oh alright, cool. Didn't realize it was steel, that explains a lot haha.
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flag bikeaddict123 (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:47)
 dude this is incredible so well done for having the perseverence to keep it up! the bike looks amazing too! just one question why did you have the seat tube angle so flat? doesn't that limit the height difference at which you can have the saddle? looks absolutely incredible though, have fun on it!
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flag wickedisanadverb (Mar 1, 2011 at 22:12)
 My favorite comment: "i [sic] could sh8t [sic] out something that look [sic] better" ... Maximillian-Peter Von Speyer, my friend, you are an inspiration. And so is your awesome name. And so is your awesome bike. I aspire to be half the man you are, and the naysayers above aspire to be a quarter of the man I am. So there's some perspective for you.
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flag psynide (Feb 28, 2011 at 2:06)
 all the best to you brother, in realizing your dream! you rock!!
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flag transition221 (Mar 23, 2011 at 7:51)
 anyone who thinks that is a good looking bike can poke a badger sideways, it's f*cking disgusting, why would the designers even own up to making it..? why is the guy at the top actually smiling next to it...? the bike should be melted and shoved up a cows arse. end of.
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flag annimaxdh (Mar 23, 2011 at 9:42)
 The day you design and build your bike, then I'll consider your comments. Well for that I guess you have to end the groundschool, or are you still in preschool stage?
Get mature and make critics with sense!
Look at what people thinks about you, check your profile, that says a lot.
Get a life looser!!
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flag annimaxdh (Mar 3, 2011 at 8:54)
 By the way I'm Still Looking for Sponsors to make the prototype Tour arround Europe in second Half of 2011 and to Canada and U.S. in 2012
Sponsorships wellcomed here, write a message, or e-mail to: norlandcycles@gmail.com
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flag IRAN1 (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:49)
 hey the company thats being made by is called majin. there made in chile out of steel by that same bloke. i've seen him on the majin blog site. i have a majin and i love it.
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flag LukeCowley77 (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:34)
 AWERSOME! Sweet when they show manufacturing and development of the bike design. proves that its not some dude welding a few bits of metal together, then painting it n selling it!
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flag Dave989 (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:56)
 "I gave XXI century reload on materials and construcion technologies"
Come on ...you just wrapped some glassfiber over a really heavy steel frame to make it look like hydroformed aluminium ...an be even heavier
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flag bunkey (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:08)
 Crude or not - It looks good.
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flag annimaxdh (Mar 1, 2011 at 8:23)
 Dave, Was not wrapping a steel frame on fiberglass.
1st- Is 4130 cromoly, that aloowed me to machine it tapering it, so the tubes has variable wall sections.
2nd- The cromoly structure been prepared (drilled) to have a better fusion with the fiberglass
3rd - The fibefglass been prepared, cutted on specific shapes to cover perfectly all the front triangle section
4th - Was needed to make special molding matrix to give that wing profile in the interior of tubes.

Not as simple as you think it is.
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flag Snowdog85 (Feb 28, 2011 at 6:41)
 very cool designe. like the 'skinny' look Razz...btw nice fork!
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:19)
 For the Moment 20 kg, I know is heavy, but is prototype with the soul in cromoly.
Next step is to make Aluminium Soul to drop the weight some kilograms.
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flag tmxownrsgrp (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:37)
 Nice work! But Max should pay homage to DOC (now SUPERCO Bikes) formerly Creator and Builder of the Brooklyn Machine Works TMX frame. Look for yourself... www.ridesuperco.com
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:51)
 Since I started riding on Bike I admired the Brooklyn Machine works frames, I guess because of that I wanted to make kind of 2.0 version of the double chain system. One of the goals of my thesis project was to redesign the system used on those bikes, so make it Ligter, Compact, Simplier and most compatible with another cranks, now is not limitating rider to just wear Profile cranks.
Now rider can choose, X-type, Howitzer, standard isis, or square taper cranks.
I admire your job, I been the first one to deffend BMW in Chile one decade ago
This is just my thesis project for the moment, and after this I'll continue evolving the idea to bring it to the next level.
Keep in touch!
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:24)
 superco silencer is the updated racelink.. long way to go to get it to a lightweight wc machine like the silencer..
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:30)
 And that's why I'm working on changing materials on frame, Double chain system and it configuration.
Also compatible with all kind of cranks not limited to Frofile bmx ones
Cheers!
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:53)
 keep it simple, good japenese airhardning steel so the weld is stronger than the tube, forget the fiberglassing just adding weight, gear ur sprocket so you can run a 22t chainring and get a 12.5" bb height. The chainstay looks very long too you should be able to get 16.5" also if you have 22t. The silencer isn't restricted to profile cranks..
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flag Antron (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:29)
 I think the rear end only looks long because of the seat tube angle. If you make a line from the seat clamp to the bb it's actually pretty close to the back tire.
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:41)
 If you look at close up the tire is nearly at the pedal insert of the crank which would make the bb 6" from the 13" tire so the chainsay would be 18.5" to 19" pretty long for me..
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:03)
 My idea or you are focussed on attack my project?
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:31)
 just trying to be critical and give you pointer for the next one as this one is first proto with heavy tubes, I am a Cam /cnc engineer that has similar frame, also would suggest running double row bearings or 2 either side in the main pivot if you not already, I modified my scarab to this as eat bearings in no time and firms the rear end up, i also have double row ones in the two single linkages (both ends) comming of the frame...
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:38)
 That explains a lot! Then wellcome to give suggestions and ideas, cuz next step is to put more enphasis on CNC machined parts
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flag ctownbike (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:46)
 good job man u put in mad work
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flag Outcast77 (Feb 28, 2011 at 2:51)
 The bike looks sweet id like to have one
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flag zakxx (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:42)
 i do like it. looks really stylish and original. pure oldschool machine.
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flag zakxx (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:44)
 it reminds me of brooklyn machineworks sr8
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flag deadatbirth (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:02)
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:04)
 Old school that I gave XXI century reload on materials and construcion technologies.
Old school never dies!
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flag saso (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:38)
 zakxx probably had in mind the old model it looks a lot like it but the BMW had a straight tube design... but all in all i like the look of this good work and good luck!
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flag bunkey (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:02)
 Thinking of the Race Link not the SR8? No?
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flag saso (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:17)
 exactly! i didn' know the name of the frame so you have teached me something new so it is a race link... well this frame is nicer Razz
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flag hitarpotar (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:22)
 Seems... strange. Big Grin What are the characteristics of the frame? I mean travel, geometry, weight, is the suspension progressive or not, how's it feeling if pedaling, etc? Smile
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flag annimaxdh (Mar 1, 2011 at 22:35)
 You want to continue Following the story?
Join the Norland Cycles Project group at Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108053285887 />See ya there!
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flag rep1969 (Mar 1, 2011 at 6:10)
 Wow! I'm very impressed with your bicycle. GREAT job!! Btw, I was in Chile 3 years ago for 2 weeks and what a beautiful country you live in.
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flag OverTheTop0 (Feb 28, 2011 at 1:01)
 I think i'll have a Zerode thanks
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flag Xabbu (Feb 28, 2011 at 1:32)
 Zerode looks a hell of a lot more polished.

Interesting design though, keep up the good work Smile
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flag mikelevy Mod Plus (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:03)
 The Zerode and Norland are two completely different things... The Zerode has been built to be a production bike and actually just started to be produced for sale. The Norland is a one-off made by Max and his friends after a lot of hard work. The two bikes are at different places in their lives.
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flag mountguitars (Feb 28, 2011 at 19:12)
 i agree with mike. the norland hasn't even been tested yet. far off from being produced and to be sold to the masses. zerode has already done a lot of testing and its ready to be sold.
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flag Dave989 (Feb 28, 2011 at 12:20)
 "Old school that I gave XXI century reload on materials and construcion technologie"

a steel frame wrapped in fiberglass ?! come on ... that is complete nonsense !
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flag TheB-Team (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:06)
 Looks good. Looking forward to hear about field testing.
Nothing quite like the feeling of chasing a dream to completion!
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flag Leesethebeast (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:34)
 Loving the design, simple single pivot up high, giving it a travel path similar to the fork's
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flag grin-n-rip (Feb 28, 2011 at 2:48)
 Nicw work man
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flag RyanJamesLeeming (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:37)
 Beautifull
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flag lightningskull (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:33)
 Very interesting, how does it ride?! Lets see some trail testing.
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flag sketchykid (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:38)
 sick looking frame... looks a bit like a beefier Dark cycle scarab, with an additional chain wheel
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flag etiennecelery (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:49)
 I saw him and his bike in Chile! It looks strange but nice.
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flag romich (Feb 28, 2011 at 0:13)
 very nice bike!
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flag eder Plus (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:25)
 Congratulations. Very nice look. Remember Brooklyn.
Geometry and weight?
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flag rhubarb101 (Mar 2, 2011 at 13:12)
 i think its really cool! no bike with two chains looks good. but function>form.
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flag olidh (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:22)
 the chain line could have been improved in my opinion, rather than having that ugly long system.
other than that, real nice, i'd have one
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flag adaskoKG (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:37)
 Freaaaaakyy handmade, i love it, this tools, dirty garage and people with great passion!
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flag veloparkbiker24 (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:32)
 This is pretty sick!
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flag littlelenny5 (Feb 28, 2011 at 7:18)
 look like a keewee cromo8
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flag deadatbirth (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:04)
 looks like a cross b/w a Chumba and Cortina
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flag dennisbarrera (Mar 1, 2011 at 0:13)
 That bike looks amazing. Great job.
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flag mickeydesadist2 (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:02)
 Great-Now make an AM model! All the best- keep it going!!!!
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flag KoNaMaStEr96 (Mar 2, 2011 at 12:43)
 NOW THATS WHAT I CALL A f*ckING BIKE!!!
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flag l2wto (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:07)
 sorry if iv missed somethin but what does the double chain ring acheive??
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flag bunkey (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:05)
 Removes the pedals from the effects of the suspension when pedalling.
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flag yetiboyjay (Feb 28, 2011 at 10:55)
 those forks are siick!!! Moto FTW
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flag sloperider (Mar 2, 2011 at 0:10)
 what are you guys talking about that is as baller as a bike can get..
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flag kubusvliegendcircus (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:22)
 sick usd fork
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flag Downhill340 (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:18)
 think it needs a set of 40s,boxxers,dorados,or 888s
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 14:28)
 Are you serious?
This Kowa makes embarrased boxxers. With Fox 40, 888, and Dorado, they get bit closer, but never enough.
The performance of the 200 GF, is better than everything I tried before, perhaps similar than the Showa used on the Honda RN01. Cannot be more sensible, and at same time it progresiveness makes it feel bottomless.
Cheers!
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flag Downhill340 (Mar 1, 2011 at 0:34)
 Just was a suggestion...
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flag diogodavinha (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:48)
 so nice design, link like a motorcycle..so nice!
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flag ok123 (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:10)
 its like a ripoff of the honda bike Frown
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:12)
 Are you Kidding? That would be a compliment.
But no, Honda RN01 was single pivot. This is Single Pivot assisted by Motolink
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flag bluezac17 (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:31)
 what they need is some ill graphix on the and id buy it hands down
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 9:45)
 It has, I just had not time for that, cuz we finished bike few hours before the exhibition
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flag jaredk19 (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:16)
 i would gladly race that for free lol
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flag bouncer666 (Feb 28, 2011 at 15:15)
 reminds me of brooklyn combined with xprezo, balfa and GTI
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flag tycoon (Feb 28, 2011 at 16:47)
 looks amazing
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flag valioto (Feb 28, 2011 at 16:39)
 beautiful bike Smile I hope it works as well as it looks
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flag MadisonDeNucci (Mar 1, 2011 at 19:15)
 What is the rear travel?
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flag wishihadabike (Mar 2, 2011 at 17:20)
 haha crazyy stuff !
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flag pbuser102331 Plus (Feb 28, 2011 at 5:09)
 Nice but nothing new,cough brooklyn cough 2 stage cough,whoops did i say that out loud.
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flag Knife-in-the-dark (Feb 28, 2011 at 6:25)
 He admits to it in the story. He said he wanted to make a lighter version. The linkage looks alot like a mountain cycle shockwave. I assume that's what he meant when he talked about the rear swingarm changes. Personally, I like it. What is the weight on that complete?
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flag eder Plus (Feb 28, 2011 at 8:49)
 Yes my friend Marquis, nothing new. Bikes have two wheels Smile
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flag freerideglory (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:04)
 The bike is unique.. but ugly
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flag annimaxdh (Feb 28, 2011 at 11:09)
 Your personal opinion.
Some thinks is ugly some (most) think is beautyful.
As politic says, you cannot make everybody happy in the town.
Cheers!
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flag freerideglory (Mar 1, 2011 at 7:31)
 i could sh8t out something that look better.
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flag brodha (Feb 28, 2011 at 13:29)
 What are the real differences between this bike and a BALFA BB7 ??
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flag bat-fastard (Feb 28, 2011 at 15:17)
 The balfa and the apalache have a direct shock which is liniear, this has a moto link which is plush at start then ramps up at end of stroke.. and with the two chains could run a 22t chainring then geared-up in the transfere to second chain thus giving large ground clearence..
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